Post by Tesa on Mar 28, 2004 6:05:55 GMT -8
Posted by: prism_wolf
Between the sweet potato and the butternut squash...use one or the other, but not both. You can swap out the parsnip for cilantro for a bit of variety, too...
Posted by: Tesa
Veronica, I use sweet potato and butternut together. What info am I missing that tells me why I shouldn't?
I use several veggies every day. For instance, I might use one small sweet potato, one parsnip, a handful of snap peas, a wedge of acorn squash, a slice of butternut, and a small slice of mango. I run them all thru the food processor so that they are slightly larger than a grain of rice. Thrasher gets about a half cup of this mixture and all the salad she wants every day.
Posted by: prism_wolf
Both are very high in potassium.
Summer Squash
Nutritional Value: Low in calories and contains a good supply of vitamin A and potassium, 94% water when raw. A one-half cup serving of cooked summer squash will provide 10 calories, .45 gm protein, 2.2 mg carbohydrates, no fat, 1.7 gm dietary fiber, 315 IU vitamin A and 192 mg potassium.
SWEET POTATO
(based on a medium baked sweet potato)
Calories-117kcal
Carbohydrate-28 g
Protein- 2 g
Fat-0.1 g
Dietary Fiber-3 g
Calcium-32 mg
Iron-.05 mg
Magnesium-23mg
Manganese -0.6mg
Potassium -397mg
Vitamin C - 28 mg
Vitamin A -24877 IU
Vitamin E -0.3 mg_ATE
Winter squash, 1 squash (raw, acorn)
Calories: 172
Protein: 3.4g
Carbohydrate: 44.9g
Total Fat: 0.43g
Fiber: 6.46g
*Excellent source of: Magnesium (138mg), Potassium (1,495mg),Vitamin C (47mg), and Vitamin A (1,454 IU)
*Good source of: Calcium (142mg)
Potassium, as we know, keeps the ig from metabolizing calcium properly. Did you notice the calcium level in the acorn squash!! It's awesome! For an MBD ig this would be pretty good, though I'd need to look at the overall Ca: P ratio.
Posted by: Tesa
if the pottasium level in the acorn squash is too high.... wouldn't it offset the calcium level anyway?
also:
Ive been working on a table of nutrional values (havent got very far yet) but according to USDA.....the potassium level in both acorn and butternut squash (per 100 grams) is comparable to that in mustard greens, dandelion greens, and watercress.
The Calcium to PH ratio for Butternut squash is about 1.5 : 1
for acorn squash it is right at 1:1
I wonder how much our sources differ from each other.......?
Posted by: Tesa
maybe its because your source is going by the whole vegetable and Im using 100 grams........??
Posted by: Dominick
Hi Ladies-
I find this current dialogue very enlightening. Please continue with this important discussion. There are some interesting things I'm learning here.
Nice work on both your parts.
Posted by: prism_wolf
Quote:if the pottasium level in the acorn squash is too high.... wouldn't it offset the calcium level anyway?
Exactly right. We don't want to offset the calcium.
Just as we don't feed to much banana for the same reason, with the other greens already being comparable in potassium (besides collards), this will upset the ratio to an even higher degree.
Collard greens only has 169 mg of potassium per 100g. Acorn squash has 347 mg per 100g. Butternut squash has 352 mg per 100g. Acorn and butternut squash holds twice the potassium. Adding both of these foods at the same time adds double the amount of potassium that just one of those would.
Sweet potato is not coming up in a raw state on the USDA food chart (comes up in baby food...go figure), but using it's cousin the yam, there is a very poor Ca: P ratio with the Potassium level being 816 mg per 100g. This is putting the potassium level at a ball park figure of 1515 (not getting the exact levels for the SP) IF you were to use the whole 300g used between the two squashes and the sweet potato.
One of the reasons collards is such a good food even though the Ca: P ratio is like 14:1 is because it helps offset the other foods that are a bit lower in calcium, and give a boost to the foods that hold too much in oxalic acids...such as the collard greens themselves.
When we add too many other foods that are high in potassium (or oxalates), we start to take away the buffer and add more blockers in the calcium absorption process.
The other amounts I used were in one cup servings with the exception of the acorn squash which took into acount the whole squash of an undetermined size.
Using the USDA data selections give a more accurate reading, and it still shows that the above mentioned "accessory foods" to an iguanas diet are very high in potassium.
If we warn people to use bananas very spareingly with a potassium level of 358, which also has a horrible Ca: P ratio, would it not then be wise to use the same rule for using all the foods in question with the same care, though the Ca: P ratios are better by a small amount in the foods in question?
Actually I have learned a bit more from this line of questioning the foods we feed. The squashes, sweet potato and yams have always been a favorite additive that helps bulk up the underfed ig by packing on extra pounds a bit quicker as well as being "eye candy" for the ig.
Any other thoughts on this? Jeez...this is like a whole topic in itself! Can we make a seperate thread for this?
Posted by: Tesa
I'll give this more thought after Ive had coffee
Between the sweet potato and the butternut squash...use one or the other, but not both. You can swap out the parsnip for cilantro for a bit of variety, too...
Posted by: Tesa
Veronica, I use sweet potato and butternut together. What info am I missing that tells me why I shouldn't?
I use several veggies every day. For instance, I might use one small sweet potato, one parsnip, a handful of snap peas, a wedge of acorn squash, a slice of butternut, and a small slice of mango. I run them all thru the food processor so that they are slightly larger than a grain of rice. Thrasher gets about a half cup of this mixture and all the salad she wants every day.
Posted by: prism_wolf
Both are very high in potassium.
Summer Squash
Nutritional Value: Low in calories and contains a good supply of vitamin A and potassium, 94% water when raw. A one-half cup serving of cooked summer squash will provide 10 calories, .45 gm protein, 2.2 mg carbohydrates, no fat, 1.7 gm dietary fiber, 315 IU vitamin A and 192 mg potassium.
SWEET POTATO
(based on a medium baked sweet potato)
Calories-117kcal
Carbohydrate-28 g
Protein- 2 g
Fat-0.1 g
Dietary Fiber-3 g
Calcium-32 mg
Iron-.05 mg
Magnesium-23mg
Manganese -0.6mg
Potassium -397mg
Vitamin C - 28 mg
Vitamin A -24877 IU
Vitamin E -0.3 mg_ATE
Winter squash, 1 squash (raw, acorn)
Calories: 172
Protein: 3.4g
Carbohydrate: 44.9g
Total Fat: 0.43g
Fiber: 6.46g
*Excellent source of: Magnesium (138mg), Potassium (1,495mg),Vitamin C (47mg), and Vitamin A (1,454 IU)
*Good source of: Calcium (142mg)
Potassium, as we know, keeps the ig from metabolizing calcium properly. Did you notice the calcium level in the acorn squash!! It's awesome! For an MBD ig this would be pretty good, though I'd need to look at the overall Ca: P ratio.
Posted by: Tesa
if the pottasium level in the acorn squash is too high.... wouldn't it offset the calcium level anyway?
also:
Ive been working on a table of nutrional values (havent got very far yet) but according to USDA.....the potassium level in both acorn and butternut squash (per 100 grams) is comparable to that in mustard greens, dandelion greens, and watercress.
The Calcium to PH ratio for Butternut squash is about 1.5 : 1
for acorn squash it is right at 1:1
I wonder how much our sources differ from each other.......?
Posted by: Tesa
maybe its because your source is going by the whole vegetable and Im using 100 grams........??
Posted by: Dominick
Hi Ladies-
I find this current dialogue very enlightening. Please continue with this important discussion. There are some interesting things I'm learning here.
Nice work on both your parts.
Posted by: prism_wolf
Quote:if the pottasium level in the acorn squash is too high.... wouldn't it offset the calcium level anyway?
Exactly right. We don't want to offset the calcium.
Just as we don't feed to much banana for the same reason, with the other greens already being comparable in potassium (besides collards), this will upset the ratio to an even higher degree.
Collard greens only has 169 mg of potassium per 100g. Acorn squash has 347 mg per 100g. Butternut squash has 352 mg per 100g. Acorn and butternut squash holds twice the potassium. Adding both of these foods at the same time adds double the amount of potassium that just one of those would.
Sweet potato is not coming up in a raw state on the USDA food chart (comes up in baby food...go figure), but using it's cousin the yam, there is a very poor Ca: P ratio with the Potassium level being 816 mg per 100g. This is putting the potassium level at a ball park figure of 1515 (not getting the exact levels for the SP) IF you were to use the whole 300g used between the two squashes and the sweet potato.
One of the reasons collards is such a good food even though the Ca: P ratio is like 14:1 is because it helps offset the other foods that are a bit lower in calcium, and give a boost to the foods that hold too much in oxalic acids...such as the collard greens themselves.
When we add too many other foods that are high in potassium (or oxalates), we start to take away the buffer and add more blockers in the calcium absorption process.
The other amounts I used were in one cup servings with the exception of the acorn squash which took into acount the whole squash of an undetermined size.
Using the USDA data selections give a more accurate reading, and it still shows that the above mentioned "accessory foods" to an iguanas diet are very high in potassium.
If we warn people to use bananas very spareingly with a potassium level of 358, which also has a horrible Ca: P ratio, would it not then be wise to use the same rule for using all the foods in question with the same care, though the Ca: P ratios are better by a small amount in the foods in question?
Actually I have learned a bit more from this line of questioning the foods we feed. The squashes, sweet potato and yams have always been a favorite additive that helps bulk up the underfed ig by packing on extra pounds a bit quicker as well as being "eye candy" for the ig.
Any other thoughts on this? Jeez...this is like a whole topic in itself! Can we make a seperate thread for this?
Posted by: Tesa
I'll give this more thought after Ive had coffee