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Post by {B|@CKGH05T} on Jul 18, 2008 3:56:42 GMT -8
helloooooo!!
long time no see
i have a question . however it does not include an iguana it includes a bearded dragon...if anybody knows anything about them?im going to have a tank built that will be a double vivarium for the tortoise and dragon.it will be 3 FT 10 Inch wide and 2 FT back to front and 6 FT tallthe tortoise will only needabout 1.6 FT of tallness to his part of the tank so there will be 4.5 FT for the tallness of the dragons tank and the everything else (width and depth) of the tanks will obviously stay the same for both tanks do you think this enclosure is big enough for a Bearded Dragon?
i think that this should be a very good size for him/her when i get it as it will be able to turn around easy enough and has plenty of height for him/her to climb up, and most importantly plenty of room to walk/run around the tank and explore their new home.
i will have a strip of mesh ontop of the tank to let any excess heat and humidity to escape. i will also have a humidifier in the tank mainly for good looks but it will help te dragon i am sure and i have read that unless im going to have trouble keeping the temp. right then i shoudlnt need a heat matt so i will have a UV lamp for him one of the red heat lamps and a Heat lamp for basking under and then Decor. everything i need for the toroise is already in his current home and he is happy as can be =).
hopefully so will my Dragon when i get him.her i will feed it on Vegitables,fruit (ocasionally),pellets (when i get it to eat them), dried insects (my mum isnt keen on the idea of having live crickets in the house and it doesnt eat many insects anyway) and i will supplement all this with vitamins and minerals.Obviously i will give them a water bowl and maybe a "Bath" for them to cool down in and make sure the water bowl is small enough so they dont wash in that so they will have clean water all the time.Once again Obviously i will take it out the tank and handle it and get it used to humans and being touched and i will clean it and let him/her go in the bath for a swim.
Does this all sound alright to everyone else??
personally i think him/her should be happy with there new home.
Please reply =)
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Post by Merlin on Jul 18, 2008 4:34:05 GMT -8
Just to clarify, you aren't going to put them together in one tank are you? Mixing species is a big no no!
if this is a divided tank:
The floor space sounds good but you really don't need all that height. A couple of feet will do. While they may climb a bit they are more terrestrial.
And you do not need a humidifier for a beardie. They are an arid climate species and too much humidity is bad for them.
If you are unable to feed live insects you may want to rethink your idea. Beardies are not vegetarians like iguanas and need insects. Babies will need insects daily and adults a couple of times a week. Most of them will not touch a dead bug.
When you say UV what you need is a UVB light. Simple UV is nothing more than a household light bulb packaged up fancy to jack up the price.
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Post by {B|@CKGH05T} on Jul 18, 2008 5:39:24 GMT -8
nono , merlin they are mainly veggies like 20 % insects thats all and the rest is fruit and veg to much insects or liv efood impacts and clogs them up causeing them to die. they are omnivores. and it is a divided tank yes. and i know they dont need a humidifier but im having one in for show cos its a volcano and it mist from the top im making sure the humidity can escape dont worry,and im getting a small one that has grown out of the lots of insect stage. and the insects i get are dried after being gut loaded with vitamins and they are suposed to be just as good for them. but they mainly eat greens like an ig so no need to worry about that. and i i give them there needed vitamins each week they should be fine www.drsfostersmith.com/pic/article.cfm?aid=824 and many more sites say the same trust me on this one just this once i know what im doing this time. please trust me on this one. when i get it im goona keep you updated to prov eto you i know what im doing please just...just gimme a chance. |
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Post by sean46877 on Jul 18, 2008 7:58:29 GMT -8
Yikes..
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Post by {B|@CKGH05T} on Jul 18, 2008 9:54:48 GMT -8
i have changed my mind on what lizard i want because obviously no matter what you do on these forums Someone has to be a busy body and pick fault with something...and stop being picky with the light i say uv you say uvb you know exately what i mean does that extra b really make a difference if so stuff it i will get a "ULTRA VIOLET LIGHT SPECIALLY FOR REPTILES"....
you know when ya keep fish yea? they say get this special fish light...no one ever does and it makes no difference to what the fish do or look like.
but obviously its a reptile...and obviously it NEEDS a UVB OR a couple of hours out in the sun IF it were hot enough...which in england..it never will be.
-.-
anyway
i have chosen the uromastyx
its safer to keep it completly vegetarian a insect evernow and then wont hurt but they dont recomend it as you can feed them to many insects and kill the lizard.
it likes HOT (110-120 F) temperature
and eats vegitables and it LOVES greens mainly Dandilions and there is plenty round here.
they look really easy to look after and they are aparently friendly from the moment they hatch.
i will bath it once a week and handle it for 30 mins - 1 hour a day
as they can be overhandled and get stressed.
this lizard seems to be the perfect one for me..
the only problem is
for one that is about 4-5 inchs its
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£135 ...which aint cheap.
but well i look like saving up!.
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Post by Merlin on Jul 18, 2008 12:38:13 GMT -8
to much insects or liv efood impacts and clogs them up causeing them to die. they are omnivores. Where did you get the idea that too many insects will kill a bearded dragon? Thats pure nonsense! Feeding too large of prey can cause them to become impacted but not too much. You have obviously never seen a beardie chasing crickets. They are little pigs! And there is no one in the wild saying "Stop that's enough bugs!" You are going to put something in that you know is bad for them just because YOU like the look? The key phrase there is "supposed to be". I have never seen one of my dragons eat a dead insect. You said it yourself. Bearded dragons are omnivores. That means that they require both plant and animal material in their diet. You can't feed them just greens The very site you linked to is saying the same thing that I am! Trust you? I have been keeping these animals for years and you have never had one. You are the one that asked for advice. There is a lot of bad advice and misinformation out there. You asked for advice. If you are wrong about something you have to expect someone to point out that fact. No I didn't and neither does anyone else reading this! Many lights are labeled UV so that they can try to fool you into thinking you are getting something that you are not. The "B" makes a big difference in the light you are buying! An ultraviolet light for reptiles, unless it is clearly labeld as a UVB generating light, is usually nothing more than a fancy household lamp! Its UVB that is the critical necessity. Oh THAT was mature! Why are you being so hostile? You asked for advice and you got it. Just because it disagrees with what you wanted to hear doesn't mean that its wrong. What has that to do with anything. Aquarium lights are sold solely to make the colors of the fish look better. The UVB lights have nothing to do with showing colors. UVB is essential to the health of the reptile and has nothing to do with the color you see. UVB is invisible to the human eye. |
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Post by greenfixed on Jul 19, 2008 14:19:06 GMT -8
Wanted to throw my two cents in here...I had that volcano mister as part of a plant terrarium set up (plants only) and stuck my hand in it one day because the mister wasn't submerged correctly...I GOT A NASTY SHOCK! Literally shocked! Of course this thing had some kind of short in it, because it never worked again..I would never put one in an animals cage, because it can malfunction! Thankfully it was not in the cage with my Uro, it might have hurt him badly!
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Post by prism_wolf on Jul 20, 2008 10:30:03 GMT -8
B|@ckgh05t...back-up and take a breath. You came in asking for advice. Merlin is extremely good with advice and has doing so for many years. His advice is solid, but because it's not something you want to hear you are flaming him? I would have given you the exact same info...and asked for the exact same clarifications. Any other reputable forum would do the same.
Please hold yourself in check. Please...keep your discussion cival and if you do not want to hear answers not to your liking - even if they are the right answers...do not ask them. Your lack of civility ends now.
As for the uro...oh yes...they are omnivores, too. They DO need to eat insects and the care is very close to beardies, actually. I have a complete diet sheet regarding uros in my files somewhere. They need more than dandies. Offering the complete iguana salad with additional items is needed.
The humidifier will be extremely bad for a uro habitat. Any form of humidity easily turns into tail rot in uros. They require extremely arid conditions. Because of that...I will never be able to keep a uro long-term here in humid TN with all the humid loving animals I already keep.
Thank you, Merlin, for your good advice.
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